Beth Moore: Heretic or Healer?

I ran into this radio post through someone else’s facebook page.  This guy offers critical analysis of sermons to point out all their faults.  This particular post caught my eye because I happen to be a fan of Beth Moore, and I’ve honestly never heard of anyone calling her a heretic before.

I have to say upfront that the speaker on Pirate Radio, Chris, annoys me with his incessant tone of superiority.  I almost couldn’t get through the first 3 minutes, and I struggled for the next 50.   I had to stop after that because it’s late!  I will have to finish it later.

There are many moments where the speaker, Chris, is just plain mean.  I don’t understand how a Christian could treat another Christian (or anyone!) with such disdain and rudeness.  I was really hoping this would be a purely intellectual discussion.  You can listen to it here, if you like: http://www.extremetheology.com/2010/03/beth-moores-dangerous-bible-twisting.html

Chris had a few valid points.

1)      Beth Moore alluded to Hebrews 10:35-36, which she appears to take out of context.  “Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.”  Beth uses this verse to encourage her listeners to believe in their God-given confidence and abilities.  Chris gives a comprehensive explanation of what he believes Hebrews 10 is referring to.  I do think Beth was taking this verse out of context and constructed a message around it.  It is concerning, and this is what incenses Chris.  But Chris is convinced that Beth is trying to teach believers to have confidence in themselves alone.  He constantly refers to this, even when Beth appears to have moved away from the Hebrews passage to make her point.

I can see what Beth Moore is trying to convey.  To me, it’s clear as day that she’s talking about having a confidence through Jesus Christ.  Women (I can’t speak for men, but probably men too) are always second guessing themselves and often think they have to rely on themselves for strength rather than on Christ.  We are supposed to find our confidence and strength through Jesus.  This is what I would have assumed Beth was saying.  Perhaps this is because I have read several of her books, so I have the benefit of knowing her mind a bit more than a first-time listener.

I’ve read Beth Moore talk about the lack of confidence in her life.  It crippled her to the point where she was not effectively serving Christ.  This is how I’d explain it: God called her to speak, and she refused, much like Moses doubting his ability when God called him to lead the Jews. (Exodus 3:10-16)  Beth didn’t have confidence IN Christ, and she didn’t have enough OF Christ’s confidence.  They’re different, but they’re closely linked – you need to have a belief that God can do what He says He CAN do through you (confidence IN Him), and you need to trust that God WILL do it (having all OF God’s confidence).  Any less than total confidence in Christ is detrimental to your personal spiritual life and your effectiveness as an agent of God for the Kingdom.

2)      There’s a lack of Scriptural teaching in this message.  Beth is a good storyteller.  She’s able to use her personal experiences to convey a lesson God taught to her.  She does this in her books, but usually it’s fairly balanced along with Biblical text and teachings.  I can agree that her message in this recording is a bit sparse on the Biblical side, and a little more “feely” to appeal to the mostly female audience.

Where I think Chris is wrong:

1)      Beth says Christ’s spirit (Romans 8) takes up residency in our spirits and therefore we gain His attributes like His confidence and His competence. The speaker harps on the literal version of the translation.  Romans 8 does not use the words “Christ’s confidence and His competence”.  This is true.  This is an inserted opinion that Beth tried to use as a literal interpretation.  I can see her point.  If Christ dwells in us, then His mind, wisdom, and heart dwells in us.  Doesn’t this mean his competence and confidence also?  Colossians 2:9-10 seems to say so: “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.” I can understand Chris’ wariness of inserting meaning into this text without full Biblical context and additional references.

2)      At one point Beth says, “If we receive Christ as our Savior but we never recognize and by faith believe Him to also be our healer and restorer, then we stay just as cracked as when we got here.”  The speaker calls this heresy.  I call this Biblical truth.  The Bible doesn’t use the words “healer and restorer” as far as I’m aware, but the Bible does say that faith without works is dead. (James 2:14-26)  If we believe Christ to be our Savior, then we will allow Him to deliver us from our sins, teach us the ways of righteousness, and restore us.

I have the benefit of knowing Beth’s common language and usage – when she says “healer”, she doesn’t literally mean “If you aren’t healed of your cancer, you aren’t a Christian.”  I’m going to assume Chris thought she was saying something along those lines.  It’s true that when we accept Christ into our lives, we don’t have to work to gain salvation.  But it’s true that if you truly accept Christ into your life, your life will drastically change.  What was dead is now alive; the old flesh is cast off. (Ephesians 2:1-10, Colossians 2:11-15)  Is that not healing and restoring?

(As a side note: It’s funny to me that Chris always calls Beth legalistic and then he condemns her for giving personal life stories rather than speaking specifically about stories in the Bible to teach about God.)

3)      Beth Moore said, “Each and every single one of us has been created with an area of brilliance.”  The speaker quips, “You’re missing the whole major point of the Scripture that we are dead in our trespasses and sins.”  I thought the whole point of the Gospel was that Jesus freed us from our sins, that we are no longer slaves to our sins.  We WERE dead in our trespasses and sins.  Now we are alive and free in Christ.  (Galatians 5:19-25, Romans 8:1-11) I think I understand that Chris’ theology believes all humans are evil and corrupt from birth, so therefore we can’t be born with a shred of goodness and we can’t ever become good while on this earth.   I disagree with this, as do several other denominations.  In fact, some people on the opposite side of the spectrum would call Chris out for heresy for saying we are always dead even after we become believers.  Food for thought. . .

4)      The host of the show says, “If we really know God, His love will be on our hearts” – to which Chris says “LAW, law, LAW!”  as if that explains anything.  He’s claiming that the people involved in this discussion are false teachers who are preaching legalism.  I don’t understand why this quote is so troublesome.  I wish he had explained what he thinks, rather than assuming I agree with him.

5)      Chris harps on the host’s call to take care of the children all over the world who are dying from lack of something basic, like water or food.  Chris essentially asks why they’re bothering to put effort into feeding these children if they aren’t evangelizing to them and teaching them the way to eternal life.  First of all, these people didn’t say they weren’t evangelizing, they were just trying to encourage those who were not in South Africa (or wherever) to take immediate action and GIVE to these children in need.  Evangelism without social justice is like praying “the prayer” without believing in Christ.  Christ called us to care for people AND preach to them.  (Matt 10:5-8)  I’d argue, what good is a sermon if a man needs a coat and you do not give him your coat?  Just as I’d imagine Chris would  argue, what good is prolonging a man’s earthly life if you do not give a man the way to receive eternal life?  If Chris gave me proof that the host’s plea for money for these children was not attached to any sort of gospel message, I might understand Chris’ indignant outcry.  But without that, he just sounds like an overly judgey guy who gets off on criticizing and insulting people.

I’m obviously not convinced by this radio show that Beth Moore is a heretical teacher.  I think she does wonderful ministry work.  None of Beth’s teachings in this recording raised a red flag to me, but perhaps you think differently.  I’d be very interested in what you have to say, because there might be something I haven’t thought of before.  Feel free to defend Chris or Beth.

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About Nicole Cragin Davis

Mostly I'm good at inspiring the beauty in chaos to prevail. Also I really like pancakes.

Posted on August 20, 2012, in Commentary on the Church and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 4 Comments.

  1. We don’t receive God’s attributes because the Holy Spirit indwells us. I have done all of Beth Moore Bible studies because my sister leads them. I always disagree with Beth on the personal level. Do you think she will ever get out of that pit? She’s all about me, me, me even though she claims to always have Jesus on her mind. She has a lot of emotional problems so I give her a pass on that. I don’t like the way she assumes all of us are as crazy and needy as she is. In my work books my answers to all the personal questions were no, I don’t have that problem. She absolutely does have bad theology. She doesn’t know the way to interpret the Bible. She changes back and forth from Covenant Theology and Dispensational Theology. I think she’s an entertaining speaker. I met her years ago when she was humble and not so much into how she looks. I didn’t like Chris’s critique because I couldn’t stand Beth’s voice on it. I wonder if he made it that way on purpose or if I have bad speakers.. As for Chris I think he is trying to be funny. I like to listen to some of his programs but we do not have the same views on theology. I have always preferred men teachers so I listen to John MacArthur a lot. One more point, some women are what I refer to as Beth groupies. We should not idolize any human. I wouldn’t mind her so much if she kept her teaching to Southern Baptist Churches. I was upset when I saw the church I attend using her study and complained loud and clear. If you want a great Bible Study to attend or recommend try BSF or Kay Arthur. I hope I spelled that right. If Beth Moore is teaching wrong things I believe someone should tell people if they can prove it by the Bible. She was wrong about the tent of meetings in one of her studies. I think she has a true desire to help women. I have had so many women say she has been through so much that she helps them. She hasn’t been through even a fraction of what my sisters and I went through as a child but we would never disrespect our parents by talking about it. We never mention it. We have put it in the past through the grace of God. May God bless you and your blogging ministry. Your sister in Christ, Doylene

  2. Hi Doylene, thank you so much for your comment! It sounds like you have more exposure to Beth Moore than I do. I have read a few books, but I have never done her Bible studies. I’ll have to take a look at some of those you suggested. God bless, Nicole

  3. Obviously Beth Moore is not a Bible teacher. The main problem in the so-called churches today have little or no doctrinal teachers, I mean few if any no matter the denominational distinction. When someone is born they need to be fed or they die. Pastors refuse to teach, that is, feed. Their duties are not primarily to visit people in the hospital, it is to feed the flock and watch over it. Deacons are acting like elders and not afoot as they should be, as well as being knowledgeable of the Word of God per the requirements found in 1Tim.3. The problem with Beth Moore is she is not easy to listen to if one is a mature believer to any degree. Someone who has even a little understanding immediately recognizes she almost always gives heresy in taking everything away from it’s context. The only way someone can understand anything is by saying everything in it’s proper context. Beth Moore is teaching just like the Word Faith Movement Cult! Everything out of context, health, wealth, use themselves as examples of a door mat, books on confidence of self because Jesus had confidence, which Jesus said He did nothing of Himself, they bend over and talk with strange inflections and the list goes on and on and on. By the way, John and Kay M. are 5 point Calvinists. They do not believe someone can believe the Gospel until you are first regenerated, in other words, saved, then you can believe the Gospel. They also believe that one cannot know for sure that he is saved and has to do works in part to convince or assure themselves of their salvation, which assurance disagrees with the Word of God. There is more to their beliefs than these two things which all disagree with the Scriptures. Beth Moore is a heretic without a doubt. When listening to someone’s questioning of a doctrine, do not listen to or with emotion, listen with your Godly mind comparing what they say to the Scriptures including a separation of the Gospels that show the King of Israel sent to Israel who was under law, with the letters to the churches which are under Grace and those things that obtain under Grace.

  4. Donna Oliphint

    Greg Blevin, 5 point Calvinists believe in assurance of salvation. (Once saved, always saved.) We believe that one who is truly saved will do the good works prepared for us by . God (Ephesians 2), and without evidence of such fruit in our lives, our salvation should be in question. (Check out James, written to the scattered believers to be used as a test for their own faith.) However, we in no way believe our salvation is by works. Check out MacArthur’s sermons on Romans–direct quotes: “We will be judged by our works, but we cannot be saved by our works.” and “You cannot be saved by good works, but you are saved for good works.”
    Nicole Davis, thank you for your honest, thoughtful insight. I started in Beth Moore studies in Houston several years before she signed with Lifeway. Even though I haven’t taken one of her classes for over a decade now, I found her lessons to be well researched. Yes, they are a bit “feely”, but she’s a woman teaching women. The amount of scripture she directs you to in the studies (workbook) is quite large, so the participant has ample opportunity to check out the context. Aside from her coziness with the likes of Joyce Meyers, I’ve not found anything to be concerned about. And, in my opinion, you rightly discerned Chris’s hateful attitude toward Beth Moore. Most of the articles I’ve read concerning her “heresy” have been written by men who seem to have a big problem with women in the pulpit. I, too, am not a fan of women preachers, but I also wonder if we may not be in a time like the judges when God raises up Deborahs because the men aren’t responding to Him. A few articles have mentioned the practice of lecto-davinia, but that is one of the disciplines taught by many great Biblical scholars in the past and seems to be simply intense meditation on certain scriptures to gain understanding. Can’t find a problem there either.
    Again, thank you for your thoughts.

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